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Post by Hammerhead on Jun 7, 2016 0:34:15 GMT -5
You know,you can go in the office and ask to see the records of any spraying done on the lake. It's public information. If a Ranger or lake expert says they haven't sprayed in 4 years,they haven't sprayed in 4 years. If you don't believe them, then that means they "secretly" sprayed the lake and destroyed the records. I don't think so. I'm suspicious of the government a lot, but this would be a stretch. I'm a high school graduate,never went to college (4 yrs USMC) so I don't think of myself as any expert. But I do know that fertilizer (nitrogen) has literally killed lakes. There aren't many farms around anymore. What there is is a lot of is $500,000 and up homes ALL around the lake and across the hills and valleys as far as you can see. They weren't there 20 years ago. Now,many,many homeowners insist on having a lawn as nice or better than their neighbors. If one dandelion grows on their 5 acres they fall apart. So,what is the answer to a beautiful, professionally maintained lawn? Fertilizer and weed killer. Chem Lawn,Green Thumb,and 50 other lawn service companies spray thousands of tons of these CHEMICALS SEVERAL TIMES A YEAR.Imagine if a ton of fertilizer and weed killer were dumped in the lake up by where the creek flows in to the lake. I wonder how much in pounds does go in the lake indirectly. I know there has to be other things contributing to what sure seems like a decline in the health of the lake. This is just one of them.
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Post by Hammerhead on Jun 7, 2016 1:13:19 GMT -5
Hey Marsh Creek, This is unreal what you guys have to put up with and listen to. I can hardly believe they are serious. Really? A big "weed cover up "? Are they serious? Look at it this way. If the lake dies,it will turn in to a stagnant,algae colored "pond". Not even kayakers and boarders will come because of the odor and chance of an eye infection. Where will the rangers,staff,biologists be then? Not at Marsh Creek. They will have failed us and deprived us of a true gem where we can have a great break from the rat race. My point is,why in h*ll would someone with an ultimate dream job like them,want to have a weed conspiracy and kill the lake. Somebody tell me a reason that makes sense. No insults is a good thing.its only my opinion.
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Post by icemole on Jun 7, 2016 7:40:54 GMT -5
There should be pods of bass fry all over the lake is anyone seeing them ?
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Post by marsh oldtimer on Jun 7, 2016 7:41:34 GMT -5
Hmm. I feel dumb even having to answer this question?? They obviously didn't intend on killing the lake. It was the result of very poor judgement and incompetence. Then when your job is on the line you bet there is a tendency to withhold or Hillary facts. All the while like a duck paddling like heck under the surface you try to fix your mistake. I've lived in the area before this lake was dug and the amounts of fertilizer from farms was far greater than any environment friendly yard chemicals from the yuppies. People are disturbed because their eyes don't lie. Drawdowns,dead weeds, dead fish, increased pleasure boating have all led to a damaged lake. If they all were fired and the lake left alone we would all be better off. It could be acceptable if they admit they screwed up and had a stabile plan and resources to correct it, but that doesn't seem to be the case. They sneak their research boats out there and continue to spray launches. Wake up.
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Post by dmancari18 on Jun 7, 2016 11:45:40 GMT -5
It's funny how we are simply talking about Marsh Creek Lake. I haven't seen any mention of fish kills recently on Chambers, Struble or Octararo... Surely those lakes also have spawning fish, right? Surely some of them have weed growth? Maybe some not so perfect oxygen levels, right? Why is it always Marsh Creek? Maybe it's because it's always Marsh Creek that's been mismanaged due to the managements tendency to cater to the non-fishing recreational aspects of the lake? I'm sure these other lakes do go through the natural fish kills that happen at times just like anywhere in the country.
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Post by bassassin on Jun 7, 2016 12:06:27 GMT -5
I was fishing Struble lake several days ago. I witnessed dead crappie as well, all with some type of lesions around their mouth. I would say a good portion of the crappie were in the 5-6" range. I am by no means a marine biologist, but could it be a result of all the rain we had flushing road salts from winter, weed killer, fertilizer from spring all pouring into waters? Obviously it would take time for all the chemicals being poured in from rain to take effect, could we now be seeing the results of such?
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Post by MasterBaiter on Jun 7, 2016 22:50:50 GMT -5
Just want to throw in that I was at Octoraro about a week ago and witnessed a good amount of dead crappie, but as suspected they were all of spawning size. I didnt see one floater under 5" and there werent that many in general but they were there. Im by no means an expert on either lake, having only recently started boat fishing frequently, but theres a big difference between the spawn deaths and whats going on at marsh.
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Post by raxarsr on Jun 8, 2016 0:31:53 GMT -5
i think the biggest strain on this lake and struble is what others said,,,,,,,the houses with the immaculate lawns............the stuff sprayed on yards is a lot worse than whats used to kill the grass at the launches.........i have a friend in dover deleware...he has "adopted" a small lake there.......that lake is absolutely choked shut with alge......all of it from the runoff of the houses that surrdound the lake.last year he finally got help from the state.........after running alge skimmers for close to a month total.....they basically gave up........as long as people keep spraying weed killer and fertlizer on their lawns............you will have these problems
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Post by marsh oldtimer on Jun 8, 2016 9:18:19 GMT -5
Typical over analysis. Fire them all. This will stop chemical sprays and devastating drawdowns and the lake will be natural and healthy with the help of mother nature. If pleasure boaters don't like it they can kayak in the pool and maybe PFBC could lifeguard?
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Post by hammerhead on Jun 10, 2016 0:02:23 GMT -5
Did someone just say "environmentally friendly lawn chemicals"? Huh?What? Sorry,all the big pesticide,fertilizer companies payoff the government to hold back information so they get a green light to poison us,and we pay them to do it to us! How unbelievable is that? These lawn care companies have been and are now using chemicals in the US that are banned in other countries. Here's a little something I copied from a pesticide monitoring company. You can believe them or you can believe the findings from our government,(who gets paid off by the big chemical companies). And all this is being allowed to flow in to OUR lake. If an ordinary citizen dumped 1 gallon of any one of these lawn care companies "safe" chemicals in to Marsh Creek,they would be arrested on state and federal law and be lucky to not get thrown in prison.
Also,TruGreen advertises it's services as "green" 53% of TruGreen ChemLawn’s pesticide products include ingredients that are possible carcinogens, as defined by the United States Environmental Protection Agency. 41% of TruGreen ChemLawn’s pesticide products include ingredients that are banned or restricted in other countries. All 32 of TruGreen ChemLawn’s pesticide products include ingredients that pose threats to the environment, including: threats to water supplies, aquatic organisms, and non-targeted insects. ALL 32 OF THEIR PESTICIDE PRODUCTS!
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Post by fishnmusicn on Jun 10, 2016 7:27:16 GMT -5
These lawn services and even the boat rentals are there not only to satisfy their customers, they are profit motivated but then again what business isn't. It's just when it gets out of hand (which it has for some time now) . As far as leaving the lake to itself to take care of itself, somehow the runoff from the treated lawns must be offset, and we don't live in a fairy tale world with all the complications here. I'm sure there are some who have made the improvements on the lake who have worked hard and seen the benefits of their work. I don't like weed spraying and I don't like the runoff from the "mansions" on the hill, what can we do? Haven't heard from "Marsh Creek" lately. The bass fishing is still productive and the water has cleared some and a good bit of weed growth has come back, that's a positive thing. Hope that will continue and I would agree that the park office may be a good place to go to get info.
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Post by wader105 on Jun 10, 2016 9:02:22 GMT -5
Lots of speculation and guessing as to what the causes are. I'd like to see one of these agencies (state, federal, or maybe independent) do some actual analysis. How do we go about getting a petition started? We have a lot of groups that protect our streams, but who protects our lakes?
Just an observation on fishing some of the surrounding lakes - the ones that don't seem to have this problem (at least on this magnitude) don't have residential homes that are on land that feed into the lake's watershed. Just sayin'.
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