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Post by Kayak Joe on Oct 27, 2015 7:49:28 GMT -5
Yes, if there is one thing this lake needs is MORE Kayaks! By all means lets make it an all kayak lake and charge a nominal $25 launch fee...and don't forget about spraying weeds lots of spraying please. Just being facetious of course, what this electric only lake really needs is another trailer access not more room for paddlers. The lake is already infested with them. Try spending 45 minutes just to reach your fishing spot while you watch tour boats , rental rescue boats, Park and Rangers rip on past. Yhen put back to the dock into the wind on battery fumes. Make mine a big vote NO for more mooring and paddle access.
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Post by Skeeter225 on Oct 27, 2015 12:36:37 GMT -5
In reference to the addition of another ramp off Milford, my opinion is "adding another launch area would just make matters worse due to current lack of ramp etiquette .Disregard for other boaters attempting to launch or load is far beyond ridiculous and does not need to become more widespread. Instead the 2 current areas (Lyndell &Park)need to be modified In order to dedicate the hard surfaced ramps ( including the winter or gravel Lyndell ramp) to trailered boats and dedicate sandy( beach type) areas to nontrailered vessels ( kayaks, canoes etc). Years ago Several local (bass, musky & sailing clubs) contributed time ,labor, money and material to build the winter ramp and both floating docks in order to improve the launch facilities. This was done before the boom of kayaks and paddle boards happened. Now there is a overwhelming number of watercraft that ply this lake and the need for order and access needs modified to accommodate all who indulge. So in short I purpose ; nearby the current areas dedicate a section of shoreline that does not interfere with current ramps or docks and add sand and vehicle pull-off for non trailered vessels.
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Post by 225skeeter on Oct 27, 2015 20:31:12 GMT -5
One more thing I forgot to mention paint "NO FISHING ON DOCK" on dock surface and tie-up post. Apparently people ignore the signs posted at top of ramps and if one questions or challenges your informing them of no fishing from docks you can reply "it is stated right infront of you". Just my opinion!
(In reference to the addition of another ramp off Milford, my opinion is "adding another launch area would just make matters worse due to current lack of ramp etiquette .Disregard for other boaters attempting to launch or load is far beyond ridiculous and does not need to become more widespread. Instead the 2 current areas (Lyndell &Park)need to be modified In order to dedicate the hard surfaced ramps ( including the winter or gravel Lyndell ramp) to trailered boats and dedicate sandy( beach type) areas to nontrailered vessels ( kayaks, canoes etc). Years ago Several local (bass, musky & sailing clubs) contributed time ,labor, money and material to build the winter ramp and both floating docks in order to improve the launch facilities. This was done before the boom of kayaks and paddle boards happened. Now there is a overwhelming number of watercraft that ply this lake and the need for order and access needs modified to accommodate all who indulge. So in short I purpose ; nearby the current areas dedicate a section of shoreline that does not interfere with current ramps or docks and add sand and vehicle pull-off for non trailered vessels.)
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Post by Old Man River on Oct 27, 2015 22:17:18 GMT -5
Never thought this lake could get so fouled up. I remember way back when people just came to fish,boat, and enjoy mother nature with a picnic and the family get together. What happened ? Now today everybody is arguing about this and that. Paying to be on a waiting list, what a joke. Remember the NO GAS MOTOR law, then a pontoon tour boat shows up,go figure that one. Hate to say it but the list goes on and on and no end in sight. A lot of bass clubs put a lot of money and labor in this lake and it's a damn shame how there efforts are oft times being over shadowed by the constant negative actions those in charge are implementing. The rating on this lake has dropped significantly over the years,I hear this from a lot of fishermen as well as boaters. I'll tell you how to fix it, keep your hands off and let mother nature solve the problem. I am sure that if there were no storage areas for boats at the park, those owning boats would find a place to keep them. Just my opinion. Tight Lines to all.
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Post by bassfever on Oct 28, 2015 4:16:10 GMT -5
Old man river, you said it great. It makes me sick to think of how great this lake used to be, and where it's today. Stop the weed killing, and it solves a lot of problems.
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Post by 225skeeter on Oct 28, 2015 6:35:32 GMT -5
I hear you guys and cherish the good old days wether Marsh Creek the Upper Bay or any body of water where solitude and great fishing was commonplace. Now back to reality we all know today's world is a different place and adapting to circumstances is sometimes a hard pill to swallow. As for mooring spots never dealt with that issue due to all my rigs since the 70's were Trailered so I will not comment on that subject. As for access for those who bring their watercraft to the lake my prior post on this thread is intended to expose possible resolve to growing problems associated with launching boats and to advert the possibility of turning Milford or any other area into another problematic location. Confine access to the two existing locations. Fewer areas to maintain (financially and physically) and monitor. Note:No offense intended by the following; This "man made lake" has been a joint venture between Man & Mother Nature. Man built it & Mother Nature filled it. Over the course of its existence Man has contributed to its improvements including stocking of various species, installing and improving access, introducing structure and vegetation, monitoring water quality etc. . Bottom line is that this resource as well as all others need to be monitored and attempts to maintain and/or improve must be done with proper evaluation and judgement along with fair and good intent! JMO
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Post by bassfever on Oct 28, 2015 11:43:52 GMT -5
Very well said.
In order to provide more sandy, beach area for kayak launching at Lyndell, I would think the mooring would have to be eliminated- or moved. But that area where the mooring is would be a great kayak launch area--- if you could keep it clear just for that-- which I doubt you could. Maybe signs would do it, not sure. It seems that signs are ignored. Maybe if it were really well designed?
just thoughts.
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Post by wader105 on Oct 28, 2015 14:51:03 GMT -5
i think if you change the mooring area to sandy beach you're likely to have little kids (and some not so little!!!) using it for wading/swimming like they do (but aren't supposed to) on the park side. as a wader i'm not in favor of giving up any of my limited access. quite honestly, i get some pretty decent numbers of bluegill, perch, and links from that tiny cove. btw, absolutely no changes on the milford side, please.
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Post by 225skeeter on Oct 28, 2015 17:45:59 GMT -5
105, my statement in this thread was in response to the post GssEagle made earlier about Milford and not intended to impose on any aspect of use on this "public park". You are correct on disregaurd by numorous individuals as to "Park Rules" , hence my request not to subject new areas (Milford or any other area) to the chaos and disregaurd that spawned in the current dedicated launches. The current Mooring areas have more than egnough room for the purpose of launching Kayaks, Canoes, Paddleboards etc… I have witnessed numorous people launch from the Lyndell mooring area without issue. So if you would just entertain this; Make the last few parking spaces ( end of the parking lot nearest the turn around and the shoreline at the end of the mooring rail ) " Kayak, Canoe access launch only" . I realize this may take 50 feet or so of shoreline but it would grant those individuals access without interupting the ramps or subject other areas( Milford) to the mayhem.
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Post by Kayak Joe on Oct 30, 2015 9:23:39 GMT -5
In my experience the last priority on this lake is ease of use for boats with trailers. It is plain to see that over the past two or three years the focus has been on profit. The number of paddle-type boats/boards has tripled and the lakes vegetation has been removed to accommodate them. If you think you are ever going to have a voice just have a glance at the board at the office for the rental fees. No friends, it is crystal clear (something the lake will never be again) it's all about the money. Yes, I am aware that now that the summer heat has dissipated the waters have cleared (a natural occurrence) the summer sediment has settled. However, you will also notice the lake is being lowered and the vegetation for next season has already been affected. I don't know haw many times it has to be repeated that the weeds are the lakes filter; not to mention the foundation for the lakes ecosystem. You may also notice it becomes very difficult, do to the lowering of the lake level, to launch a trailered boat two months before any other lake in PA. No the powers that be have no interest in anything that does not net them a nice profit.
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Post by 525mag on Oct 30, 2015 13:02:58 GMT -5
Hey Marsh Creek - Improvement Ideas:
- Enforce the no fishing on the east dock. You try to launch or land a boat and the worm danglers look at you like you have three heads - Stop people from letting their kids swim on the east launch - Separate drop off and launch area for untrailered kayaks, canoes, paddle boards on the jug handle as you enter at the east. - Please please please dump a couple of loads of sand to cover the rocks on either side of east launch and dock - would give you a soft place to land/launch a if other boats are on the dock. Or at minimum, push the foot killer rocks into deeper water during the winter draw-down.
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Post by Old Man River on Oct 30, 2015 17:12:24 GMT -5
I will not fish this lake anymore and I hate to say that as I bird hunted this area before they filled it and I remember all the good times I had fishing and hunting the area. Way back then people just kept there hands off and mother nature had her way and did a very good job. We will never learn not to fix things when they are not broken. All the bickering about this and that does not fix anything. Stop the stupid pontoon tours.spraying the weeds, bickering over boat parking,etc. etc.the list goes on and on. This lake is on the decline and if something is not done to settle all this, it could in the next few years become a dead body of water. The powers to be should wake up and take a good look at what they accomplished which needs to be over hauled. Tight lines Chuck
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Post by 225skeeter on Oct 30, 2015 20:16:29 GMT -5
Just some of the work clubs & volunteers have done over ther years. Note, these projects/ improvements are not just angler specific!!!
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Post by 225skeeter on Oct 30, 2015 20:19:31 GMT -5
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Post by 225skeeter on Oct 30, 2015 20:23:05 GMT -5
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