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Post by Soof on Jan 22, 2020 20:21:36 GMT -5
Sorry if its legal then have at it. I see tons of pics on facebook of people lining up 20+ catfish....and while i dont agree with that...if its legal then do what you want. If this guy gets whatever kind of license he needs to do this, then someone over my pay grade deemed it ok or legal to do it....then have at it. So let me make sure if I understand what you are saying correctly. You seem to be saying if it is legal then have at it, right? If so the by your reckoning I could potentially catch 50 carp or catfish each day from your favorite spots and threw them on the bank to feed the raccoons? As you say, if it is legal then have at it right? What possible harm could come from that? Legal does not always mean ethical.
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Post by thehammer0711 on Jan 22, 2020 20:53:03 GMT -5
Sorry if its legal then have at it. I see tons of pics on facebook of people lining up 20+ catfish....and while i dont agree with that...if its legal then do what you want. If this guy gets whatever kind of license he needs to do this, then someone over my pay grade deemed it ok or legal to do it....then have at it. So let me make sure if I understand what you are saying correctly. You seem to be saying if it is legal then have at it, right? If so the by your reckoning I could potentially catch 50 carp or catfish each day from your favorite spots and threw them on the bank to feed the raccoons? As you say, if it is legal then have at it right? What possible harm could come from that? Legal does not always mean ethical. If the powers that be deem it ok then i guess they know better then you, right?
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Respect the resource.
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Post by Respect the resource. on Jan 23, 2020 9:51:33 GMT -5
Its legal to fish from shore on a half mile-long stretch of river with only 1 other angler on it, then cast shoulder to shoulder with him while nobody is fishing the other 799 yards.
It's legal to come straight off the boat launch and go cut off someone's drift who has been there all morning.
Doesn't mean you SHOULD do either.
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Post by Soof on Jan 23, 2020 14:05:13 GMT -5
So let me make sure if I understand what you are saying correctly. You seem to be saying if it is legal then have at it, right? If so the by your reckoning I could potentially catch 50 carp or catfish each day from your favorite spots and threw them on the bank to feed the raccoons? As you say, if it is legal then have at it right? What possible harm could come from that? Legal does not always mean ethical. If the powers that be deem it ok then i guess they know better then you, right? Nope, not at all.
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Post by thehammer0711 on Jan 23, 2020 14:11:10 GMT -5
no need to go back and forth. you have the right to your opinion and i respect it.
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Post by shellback on Jan 23, 2020 15:56:48 GMT -5
This thread is pathetic. People whining about over harvesting, catching fish during hot temps etc. I assume it's to protect the resource so the muskies are there when YOU want to fish for them. If you really care about the muskies, why fish for them at all? Ya think they like that hook in the mouth and getting dragged in? If hook and line fishing is taking too many muskies out of Marsh Creek, then there's probably too many muskies in there to begin with.
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Post by Soof on Jan 23, 2020 19:34:20 GMT -5
This thread is pathetic. People whining about over harvesting, catching fish during hot temps etc. I assume it's to protect the resource so the muskies are there when YOU want to fish for them. If you really care about the muskies, why fish for them at all? Ya think they like that hook in the mouth and getting dragged in? If hook and line fishing is taking too many muskies out of Marsh Creek, then there's probably too many muskies in there to begin with. Well catch and release is pretty popular these days. Hook and line fishing vs what other kind of fishing? I don't recall seeing anything about harvesting throughout all of these posts? Sorry that some people give a damn about the fishery that many have spent time, money and effort on it just to see it placed at risk by some guy coming in to financially benefit from it and further jeopardizing a fishery that is already on the way out since pures are no longer being stocked. Sure, I have fished for and caught my share of them and it is possible that some mortality may have occurred. That is why I chose not to use live bait for them...something MCM is more than happy to do based on one of their prior responses. Of COURSE I want there to be muskies in the lake when I fish for them. Who wouldn't? Or do you prefer to fish where there are none to be found? The heyday of MC Musky fishing ended a couple of years ago. There are still some for sure but in a couple of years there wont be, unless stocking efforts are revisited. Once they are gone Gordons is not going to have any musky related buisness as well. What is pathetic is that so called "sportsmen" fail to grasp such a basic concept.
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Post by Soof on Jan 23, 2020 19:41:58 GMT -5
This thread is pathetic. People whining about over harvesting, catching fish during hot temps etc. I assume it's to protect the resource so the muskies are there when YOU want to fish for them. If you really care about the muskies, why fish for them at all? Ya think they like that hook in the mouth and getting dragged in? If hook and line fishing is taking too many muskies out of Marsh Creek, then there's probably too many muskies in there to begin with. I am new to this - is it true that about 33% of hooked fish (even if released) will die anyways? Some a-hole at the creek one day told me that when I told him I was releasing anything that I caught. There is no such thing as an iron clad number. Too many factors involved (water temp, tackle used/duration of the fight, species (some are more hardy than others) lures vs bait, barbed hooks vs barbless (barbless is much better for all involved) etc. Muskies are pretty fragile in some respects but in others tough. Warm water is a death sentence for them when caught in temps in the upper 70s or above. Using live bait is a very close second, even with using a "quick strike" live bait rig. Muskies and others in the Esox famlily tend to grab a fish lengthwise to kill it then will swallow it head first. Any live bait hooked near the head/mouth will result in a gut hooked musky when it is swallowed for instance.
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Post by shellback on Jan 24, 2020 9:09:40 GMT -5
I understand conservation and that hot weather, live bait etc is detrimental to the resource. But what I don't understand people up on their high horse criticizing others. Once you cast that lure out for a musky, you have no control on how it takes the bait. I'd have to think it may be as much as a 50/50 chance, that the fish end up dying after release. I'll say it again, if there is that many muskies in March Creek that a guide is going to decimate the population, there's probably too many there to begin with.
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Post by Soof on Jan 24, 2020 13:24:29 GMT -5
There is no such thing as an iron clad number. Too many factors involved (water temp, tackle used/duration of the fight, species (some are more hardy than others) lures vs bait, barbed hooks vs barbless (barbless is much better for all involved) etc. Muskies are pretty fragile in some respects but in others tough. Warm water is a death sentence for them when caught in temps in the upper 70s or above. Using live bait is a very close second, even with using a "quick strike" live bait rig. Muskies and others in the Esox famlily tend to grab a fish lengthwise to kill it then will swallow it head first. Any live bait hooked near the head/mouth will result in a gut hooked musky when it is swallowed for instance. I honestly thought 33% was a high # as well and probably not likely but I do not really know. Just curious. Quick question too ..... why isn't anyone putting pures in there anymore? Too pricey? Also - why put the tiger ones in if they don't reproduce? I am not sure why pures are not stocked anymore. As far as I am aware, the MI50 club did the stocking of purebreds in Marsh Creek. I believe the state has only stocked Tigers there, and then every other year - I think. I am guessing the expense of stocking bigger size musky fingerlings (around 12"-14" and have a better chance of survivng vs smaller ones) became too much. I think the cost was around $14 per fish. That adds up fast. Maybe they are sponsoring other lakes or rivers, I honestly don't know. My guess on Tiger stocking would be two reasons: 1) no risk of them "taking over" since they are infertile and 2) they are a Northern Pike x Musky cross and like many hybrids (fish or otherwise) tend to grow at a faster rate. Tigers don't live as long (I think about 5 years or so) but supposedly are a bit easier to entice to strike. I have landed a number of pures over the years but have yet to catch a Tiger.
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Post by icemole on Feb 13, 2020 14:04:34 GMT -5
Pures do not spawn with much success in the eastern part of Pa either. They do however live longer so your chances of catching a bigger fish grow. The PFBC is now growing Tigers to a bigger size(10-14") as well. Way back in the 70's + 80's the PFBC stocked musky(+ walleye) as fry(1" ?) but they stocked large numbers of them. Then in the 90's + 00's they stocked fingerlings(the musky were 4-6" never saw the walleye) but they stocked fewer to "save on costs". I'm sure that even fewer will be stocked now at each lake.
My observations over the past 50 odd years are that we had MUCH better musky fishing here in the SE back in the 70's + 80's than we've had since(look through old issue's of the Pa Angler cast + caught section). My theroy is that those fry learned how to survive... something that most of the fingerling stockings of the 90's+ 00's never got a chance to do. (at least at Blue Marsh as there was a major feeding frenzy(Hybrids, bass, walleye and even musky) for about a week after the fingerlings were stocked. By the end of that week you would be lucky to see 1 or 2 fingerlings left !
I no longer target musky since my 2 main spots are no longer stocked(1 no longer has habitat since the dam was removed and the other has "poor angler return" whatever that means.(they are the fish of 10,000 casts LOL) When I did target them it was fall through winter stopping when the season used to close then again when the season reopened until June.
All of you that want to protect musky should push to have the season closed during the "spawn" again since that is the easiest time to find and catch them.
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Post by wader105 on Mar 4, 2020 15:32:31 GMT -5
Lots of words.
Lots of opinions.
Some good/relevant info - some is pretty dumbass.
I've stated my opinion on similar topics in the past and it's still the same. For now, no opinion, just some advice I got from my grandmother a long time ago and I've passed on to my kids. Read these few words several times until it sinks into some of your thick skulls. It applies to fishing and so much more in life...
JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN, DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN THAT YOU SHOULD. KNOWING THE DIFFERENCE WILL MAKE YOU A GOOD PERSON.
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Post by Tom Long on Apr 9, 2020 16:23:38 GMT -5
Last thing we need is another guide on such a small lake . I will take anyone for free and teach them the right . I have more experience then anyone on here . Email me Tigercutom@gmail.com I’m serious
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Post by Tom Long on Apr 9, 2020 16:47:04 GMT -5
A lot of strong opinions on here . Most are uninformed but there is one thing that’s going to destroy the lake . The weed control we all need to complain and spread the word. They are putting poison in the lake and it’s wrong. I would like to see people get behind this . I personally plan to get answers and spread the word. I will update this page when I do . Again I’m serious about taking people Muskie fishing so don’t pay send me a email
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