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Post by DMT on Dec 29, 2019 15:30:01 GMT -5
Also, if you knew ANYTHING about Muskies you would know targeting them In the spring is not the way to go about it. Your comment along about accepting clients in the spring proves your ignorance and disregard to the Heath and wellbeing of the musky fishery.
So a self proclaimed guide who is that ignorant, profiting from the hard work and dedication of local clubs and chapters, isn’t the right fit for our waters. Take a Hike Cletus!!!
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Post by No Boga Grips on Dec 29, 2019 15:50:26 GMT -5
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Post by Soof on Jan 8, 2020 20:54:05 GMT -5
Hey @ marsh creek muskies ..... How are we looking for getting out on the water soon??? I am looking forward to it! My father wants to book a trip too with you after my trip and bring my (2) brothers along as well. We will be out there a lot with you! I am gonna go out on a limb and say the day after never. MCM hasn't responded in month, unless you are MCM trying to drum up business. Maybe he/you realized the fool's errand this "endeavor" turned out to be I dunno. Better off just heading out and fishing for them. Not that hard if you put in the time but if you want to be spoon fed then this might be an option. Just don't hold your breath waiting for the trip to happen...there is a reason the crickets are chirping. You are clearly blind to the outcry from many against this silly idea. Many care about the longevity of the fishery.
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Post by Me on Jan 9, 2020 9:50:57 GMT -5
Me as a fellow fly guy you need to respect the fish and it's habitat first. Which you are not doing. Go fish for trout or bass, no need for a new fly guy to get right into musky, guess you are after some kind of social media 'likes'. After all you have read posted here you still don't care and will put pressure on those few fish. Not a proper fly fisherman in my opinion. And why on earth would a fly fisherman go out with a gear head guide? that makes no sense either.
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Post by me on Jan 9, 2020 14:36:28 GMT -5
Don't apply additional pressure to an already high pressured fragile fish and lake.
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Post by msk2msk on Jan 9, 2020 15:23:43 GMT -5
while you have every right to guide (assuming youre license and insured), I hope you understand the proper handling of musky. Mainly I hope you understand that musky frequently experience delayed mortality in water temps over 78 degrees. Marsh creek water temps generally reach 80 degrees by the end of june and 85+ during july and august, nobody should be targeting musky during the hothingyer time period, and if caught they shouldnt be removed from the water period. Also mi50 has created a decent musky fishery here in eastern PA and Id hope you are a member if you are guiding for the fish they stock. I put emphasis on the hothingyer because I see all your pics look to be summertime catches.. hopefully you are aware of this.
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Post by msk2msk on Jan 9, 2020 15:28:09 GMT -5
***hothingyer time period sorry
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Post by msk2msk on Jan 9, 2020 15:30:04 GMT -5
***hothingyer time period sorry hot water time period *******
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Post by me on Jan 9, 2020 15:51:05 GMT -5
this guy and his guide do not care about the health of the lake or the musky. Just looking for pics and bragging rights. Go north if you need to catch big fish.
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Post by Soof on Jan 9, 2020 17:35:04 GMT -5
I am gonna go out on a limb and say the day after never. MCM hasn't responded in month, unless you are MCM trying to drum up business. Maybe he/you realized the fool's errand this "endeavor" turned out to be I dunno. Better off just heading out and fishing for them. Not that hard if you put in the time but if you want to be spoon fed then this might be an option. Just don't hold your breath waiting for the trip to happen...there is a reason the crickets are chirping. You are clearly blind to the outcry from many against this silly idea. Many care about the longevity of the fishery. My guess is he doesn't want to respond on this thread until there are updates and because most people responding are AGAINST what he is trying to do. Sounds like a iron clad business plan! I have personally witnessed the land based shark fishery in NJ get ruined by someone with a very similar idea. Started a couple of years ago with this guy "guiding" people and burning spots people have earned by putting in their time and doing their homework. It had been building for some time since with known hot spots getting crowded out by this person "guiding" people to them and then they tell some friends who tell some friends....you know where this is going. This year, NJ Fish and Game finally decided enough was enough and decided to clamp down on land based shark fishing citing the higher catch rate of prohibited (to keep) species. Their point of view has now turned to those fish being targeted based on population density of those prohibited (to keep) species to the point where now they will not allow shark fishing from the surf in the known hot spots at least. So yeah, while that situation might be the extreme, I think you can grasp the concern here. MC is tiny...535 acres. It can only hold a small number of muskies from a biomass standpoint. So you, and a bunch of other interested people take this guy up on the guiding deal and you all have a great time. That is awesome. Does that mean you will not go back and try again? Of course not. I wouldn't (haven't either). The thing is when this guy takes people out, they will come back and possibly bring others to the same spots....there really are not that many on this small lake that are prime musky spots, regardless of season. Next thing you know, in just a season or two, the numbers decline drastically, especially if the fishing is taking place with water temps in the mid 70s or higher. Muskies, while ferocious looking, are actually quite fragile. C&R mortality on them is a concern as much as spot burning. I understand wanting to catch one, I still fish for them from time to time though have scratched most of that itch. I also understand that you are new to the area and your eagerness to learn. I have been fishing MC steadily since 1984 and have lived in the area for over 25 years. I fish almost 100% from shore (wading) though occassionally will fish from a kayak. Every musky that I have landed has been while wading. A boat is not a must by any stretch for success. Save the $450 (wow!) get some lures and advice at Gordon's and put some time in. You will get much more out of it vs someone putting you on the fish and you will learn even more because you will be figuring it out, not being told what to do. Just my .02 but I suspect many others would share this viewpoint, especially those who have been fishing here and calling it home for years or decades.
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Post by teb67gt on Jan 10, 2020 20:28:44 GMT -5
My guess is he doesn't want to respond on this thread until there are updates and because most people responding are AGAINST what he is trying to do. Sounds like a iron clad business plan! I have personally witnessed the land based shark fishery in NJ get ruined by someone with a very similar idea. Started a couple of years ago with this guy "guiding" people and burning spots people have earned by putting in their time and doing their homework. It had been building for some time since with known hot spots getting crowded out by this person "guiding" people to them and then they tell some friends who tell some friends....you know where this is going. This year, NJ Fish and Game finally decided enough was enough and decided to clamp down on land based shark fishing citing the higher catch rate of prohibited (to keep) species. Their point of view has now turned to those fish being targeted based on population density of those prohibited (to keep) species to the point where now they will not allow shark fishing from the surf in the known hot spots at least. So yeah, while that situation might be the extreme, I think you can grasp the concern here. MC is tiny...535 acres. It can only hold a small number of muskies from a biomass standpoint. So you, and a bunch of other interested people take this guy up on the guiding deal and you all have a great time. That is awesome. Does that mean you will not go back and try again? Of course not. I wouldn't (haven't either). The thing is when this guy takes people out, they will come back and possibly bring others to the same spots....there really are not that many on this small lake that are prime musky spots, regardless of season. Next thing you know, in just a season or two, the numbers decline drastically, especially if the fishing is taking place with water temps in the mid 70s or higher. Muskies, while ferocious looking, are actually quite fragile. C&R mortality on them is a concern as much as spot burning. I understand wanting to catch one, I still fish for them from time to time though have scratched most of that itch. I also understand that you are new to the area and your eagerness to learn. I have been fishing MC steadily since 1984 and have lived in the area for over 25 years. I fish almost 100% from shore (wading) though occassionally will fish from a kayak. Every musky that I have landed has been while wading. A boat is not a must by any stretch for success. Save the $450 (wow!) get some lures and advice at Gordon's and put some time in. You will get much more out of it vs someone putting you on the fish and you will learn even more because you will be figuring it out, not being told what to do. Just my .02 but I suspect many others would share this viewpoint, especially those who have been fishing here and calling it home for years or decades. This guy gets it. Most of the other comments seem to support this. I checked the website....it is in fact still up. If you look at the musky pics you will see the vast majority of the muskies have red fins. If you don't know what this means than research it. I will tell you it is not a good thing for the fish. If you spend $400 to have someone show you the ropes for musky fishing you are crazy or just have a lot of money. They are not that hard to catch. Just takes time, as it will on the the trip if it happens. If they are biting they are biting. If they are not biting nothing you throw at them will change that. There is a reason they are the fish of 10,000 casts. You could very easily spend $400, $800 etc. and not even get a follow. Or you could save the $ and just go fishing. Results will be the same. Have a stout rod, strong line ( I use 65 braid and 40 lb fluro leader) and a variety of lures. Even better have 2 rods, rigged with different lures. I cannot tell you how many times that I had a follow or miss on one and then, using a completely different lure, casted and hooked up on one with success. Avoid Spring (spawning season, waste of time they have other things on their mind) and stop once Summer hits. As others have pointed out warm temps = death for muskies often. Have a good pair of pliers that have a cutoff in case you need to cut the hook out. I recommend an Arc De Hooker as well (12"" should be fine). Fall and early Winter (depending on season) is THE best time hands down. Most years once April hits you can forget about it until early to mid May. This advice, while not all encompassing, comes free of charge.
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Post by thehammer0711 on Jan 11, 2020 23:07:43 GMT -5
I would tell any person that asked me where i caught a fish. I love catching fish and i love seeing others do the same. So giving up your "hot spot" that you have researched is BS to me.
There are guides on every lake and river. Whether its a catfishing guide, carp, bass, musky etc....some people dont have 10,000 casts in them. Some people can only go out when they can (ie 5 times a year). So "putting in time" does not work for everyone.
I am a catch and release guy....i release my fish so others can feel the enjoyment i did when i caught that fish.
Everyone has the right to thier own opinion but if my 72 year old father wants to pay a guide to "guide" him to catching a flat head catfish, shark or musky then he should. Any "guide" i have ever used was a better conservationist (i think that is a word) then most fisherman i have seen. Also more respectful....
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Don't fish in 80 degree water
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Post by Don't fish in 80 degree water on Jan 13, 2020 9:27:20 GMT -5
Jmmpitt83.
MI50 (local musky club) puts on an annual school for both fly and gear fishermen late in the spring. Once details are finalized with the park, etc. info will be presented here and on the club's Facebook page. It's on-the-water instruction with club members that not only involves fishing instruction, but more importantly, proper handling and release methods along with other information about how to preserve the resource (e.g. avoiding fishing for them when water temps approach or exceed 80 degrees, some anglers use barbless hooks, etc.). It's a comprehensive educational event.
Most importantly, all proceeds go directly to stocking muskies in MC and other local waters. There is little to no natural reproduction in this area so w/o these fundraising and stocking efforts from the club and the state, there would be no musky fishery here.
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Don't fish in 80 degree water
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Post by Don't fish in 80 degree water on Jan 13, 2020 11:15:40 GMT -5
Jmmpitt...check your PM inbox
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Post by icemole on Jan 13, 2020 16:05:09 GMT -5
Is the club still stocking local waters ? I haven't seen the musky "fingerlings" up at Cabala's on my last couple of trips up there - did that partnership dissolve ? If still stocking is the club going to rotate and restock "old" lakes ? Not sure what the lifespan of a "pure" in Pa is but I would guess that the original stocking is getting close to the end. I know "tigers" only live about 7 years. 3-4 years of that they are under 40" and growth rates slow way down once a fish reaches "maturity".
P.S. I still think you should throw some in Ontelaunee since the PFBC has abandoned stocking them there. Good chance to grow monsters since no boats and lately very little ice.... Who knows might even spawn since it appears that there is limited pike and pickerel spawning since they were stocked back in the early 90's
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